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Today’s interview is with Jesse Peterson and Penny Livingston-Stark about how to make permaculture education more accessible and provides different ways to do so for families and couples, as well as for those for whom the more traditional two-week intensive is burdensome. We also discuss different class formats beyond the design course, and what age is appropriate for a student to receive a certificate. Penny also delves into what it means to be a certified permaculture designer.

You can find out more about Jesse and her work at insideedgedesign.com, and Penny is at regenerativedesign.org
Jesse and her daughter
Jesse and her daughter

Permaculture accessibility is of ongoing importance to me, as well as those of us who call Seppi’s Place home. Though my work on the podcast continues to push the edges of social, economic, and community permaculture, the core corpus of knowledge that comes with designing a series of permacultures rests in the Permaculture Design Course, which requires steeping one’s self in the language of the land, food, and gardens; water, clothing, work, and shelter. Through that one gains a core understanding of the language and lexicon of practicing permaculture. It isn’t the destination of the journey, but the starting point, a place too often one cannot start down because of barriers of time, cost, or burden to family. That is changing, however, as more permaculture teachers, such as Penny and Jesse, see this problem and try different solutions. In their case, they provide child care and couples discounts. In others, the format is broken up and spread out over a series of weekends. Some are even being offered in the gift-economy. As time and needs change, so does our approach to permaculture. I remember a time speaking of permaculture beyond the landscape seemed completely foreign and antithetical to the work, but more books and articles emerge on social and economic permaculture each day. The more teachers and students who take up the mantle to teach and learn this material, the more options we have in sharing it with others, and in continuing to make it more accessible and affordable. Whether you are a student looking for an alternative to the traditional design course intensive or are a teacher who is offering something different, I’d like to hear from you.

Resources
Permaculture Design Course with Broken Ground
Inside Edge Design
Regenerative Design Institute
Institute of Permaculture Education for Children
Sarah Wolbert David
Sobel
David’s Books

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Rachel Kaplan - Permaculture from the Inside Out

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My guest today is Rachel Kaplan a member of 13 Moon Collaborative and co-author of an excellent book on practicing permaculture in cities and suburbs, Urban Homesteading.

This conversation centers around her work with the collaborative and how to foster permaculture people, not just permaculture landscapes. This is more than permaculture as a design practice, but as an embodiment of all the pieces that make permaculture what it has become, a way to live in an ecologically sound way.

Find more information about Rachel Kaplan and her work on Permaculture from the Inside Out at https://13MoonCollaborative.com

Stepping away from this interview, I find my view on the idea of Zone 00 changing. For a long time I rejected the idea of the personal work, of the inner landscape, because it skirted the line of spirituality and woo a bit too much for my taste, because the presentations of the idea of Zone 00 were couched in language more mystical than mundane. Studying the American Civil Rights Movement and other non-violent movements, however, showed that transformation begins with the self before the physical manifestation in the world. In some cases, like the Salt March lead by Ghandi, can take 15 years of personal growth and preparation. Those stories are too often left out of the history books and so we only see the end results. Not the beginning. For us to create a more bountiful world we need to address that inner landscape to know our heart’s desire, understand our calling, and to heal so that we can heal the world. By taking care of ourselves, we can practice permaculture from the inside out. Wherever you are on your journey, whatever you are doing whether you are a new student, a teacher, or a small business owner, the door remains open if there is some way I can assist you.  

Resources:
13 Moon Collaborative (Rachel’s Teaching Work)
Urban Homesteading (Rachel’s Book Site)
Charles Eisenstein
Permaculture Skills Center
The Information Diet
Johnston Square Open House
Howard Zinn A People’s History of The United States (Wikipedia)

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Erik Ohlsen
Jason Godesky

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Review: The Permaculture Teacher Training, as taught by Jude Hobbs, Andrew Millison, and Rico Zook.

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In this episode I give a review of the Permaculture Teacher Training I attended in Cottage Grove, Oregon, led by Jude Hobbs, Andrew Millison, and Rico Zook.

  • The Site - Wilson Creek Gardens.
  • The Teachers - as mentioned above.
  • Course Lessons - some of the nuts and bolt material.
  • "Take Aways" - in the form of aphorism that illustrate a point towards being a better instructor.
  • Specific Questions:  How was the food?  Was the class worth the money? Would I take this course again or recommend it to someone?

I was in Cottage Grove, Oregon, USA to take an Advanced Permaculture Training in Teaching (i.e. Permaculture Teacher Training), with Jude Hobbs, Andrew Millison, and guest instructor Rico Zook.

If you are looking for more information on the instructors, you can find more information on each one, their work, and what they are doing at:

And since I mentioned VNV Nation, you can check out Ronan and Mark at: www.vnvnation.com

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