Permabyte: No Such Thing as Waste

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As promised, with the release of this episode corresponding to my wife's birthday, here's something light hearted for you all: the first single from Charlie MGee's forthcoming permaculture inspired album, Permaculture: A Rhymer's Manual. This track is “No Such Thing As Waste” and comes from David Holmgren's 6th principle, Produce No Waste.

I received this track while finishing up a recent episode and figured I'd give a listen while putting together the website notes and resource links. Call that a bad idea on my part. I got drawn in and stopped everything else to listen. Then start the track over and listen again. The music caught my attention first: fun, upbeat, and funky. Next the lyrics. And finally, since I produce audio many hours each week, the quality of the overall production. This is a top-notch track that sounds good. The work that went into making this is obvious and I'm thankful to Charlie and crew for making it. I look forward to adding a copy to my toolbox to play for children, and adults, to increase their awareness of permaculture. Like many projects, and even this podcast, Permaculture: A Rhymer's Manual happened because of crowdfunding and the help of private individuals through small contributions.

Charlie used WeTheTrees.com, Christian Shearer's organization. If you like this track, consider picking up the whole album. The official release date is April 6th, 2013.

You can find out more at permaculturesongs.com. In the meantime, enjoy this single.

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Permabyte: Permaculture and Disasters

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This episode is a listener question thanks to a good friend of mine, Tony, sending an email for me to check out a recent video by Toby Hemenway on Redesigning Civilization and a question. His question:

Say, for the sake of argument, that we lived in a fully functional Permacultural society (as to how large a society, let's consider the question in regards to a local, city, and national sized societies). How would a Permacultural society deal with an extensive drought and/or other longer-termed production destroying situations as opposed to an industrial/agricultural one?

Before I dig in, I'm going to say that this is a thought experiment at best, and a bit of a rambling one at that. Here is my mind as I'm pulling from various angles to look at various points. I could easily spend months working out more and more intricacies, putting in references to support and refute various pieces, but I'd rather provide a basic response than to fall down the rabbit hole of seeking perfection and never produce something. For the sake of time and brevity, this is what I have for now. Given the complexities of any arrangement of people, a clear-cut answer of what this final society would look like isn't straight forward. Every situation and site is unique, and thus would be every town, city, or nation that make permaculture the primary design system. However, I can speak to how the principles and other core ideas of permaculture potentially lead to a different society that can face this, or other, loss of production. To see how that happens, I'm going to walk through Holmgren's widely publicized 12 principles and be mindful of the three ethics. For those of you who haven't heard them in a while, or if this is your first introduction to permaculture, here are those ethics and principles. Ethics Care for the Earth Care for the People Set limits to consumption and reproduction, and return the surplus. Principles Observe and Interact. Catch and store energy. Obtain a yield. Apply self-regulation and accept feedback. Use and value renewable resources and services. Produce no waste. Design from patterns to details. Integrate rather than segregate. Use small and slow solutions. Use and value diversity. Use edges and value the marginal. Creatively use and respond to change. So, we have the premise of the question: A disaster occurs destroying long term production. Though it could be anything, I'll focus on Tony's suggested drought as an illustrating point. The principles, being principles and not techniques, apply in the same way to any other problem encountered, even if that's a wandering horde of zombies or keeping rebels out of your new planet destroying orbital base. The specific design elements and techniques come in to solve the problem at hand, such as a strong fence to keep out those zombies, if they're the slow shambling Romero types, or insuring you have good security in place and small enough exhaust ports so some lucky farmboy doesn't have the skills to hit that now half meter target. Though I don't know how you'd account for the wisdom of a ghostly Obi-Wan Kenobi encouraging him to use the force, but I digress. Now then, with the 12 principles as a guide for figuring out how this society would differ from the world we have today, let's go. Observe and interact. This principle gets us into the world examining the site and what happens there. Through the use of zone, sector, and vector analysis the internal, external, positive, and negative influences become clear, including accepting the unknowns. We know what disasters are most likely, can plan for the eventuality, and consider the worst case scenario. We then design solutions into the system expecting that one day the disaster will come. Knowing there is a drought guides how we respond to it. Catch and store energy. Another reminder to capture and use as much of what's coming through a particular system as possible in order to slow the progress of entropy. Living systems represent the best way to do that, through the plants and animals, people and their knowledge. Considering the impacts of a drought: long term drop in food production, we need to store food, our own energy for the future. When it comes to our plants, that means building nutrients in the soil and in turn water the soil. Knowledge is another form of energy storage, if you want to play loose with the idea of energy, but figure this more to be the wisdom of those around us and who came before us. Planning for drought, we can investigate techniques to help in that situation both common, such as mulching, but also more specifically like dry farming tomatoes. Again, with any emergency, the best time to gain those skills are before the problem arises, so we're constantly learning new things early and often. Obtain a yield. Whether the disaster occurs today or 10 years from now, preparing ahead of time and considering what yields we want to obtain allow us to still produce something useful from the system. It's possible to spend so much preparing for an eventuality that in the time until it occurs the systems costs us more than we gain. This shouldn't be a zero-sum game where we win or lose, but rather to be perpetually gaining a little bit more and ever improving. But don't take that as a commandment to seek ever increasing growth, as the only thing I've known of that can grow forever is cancer, and that'll kill you. Instead, we expand the yields we get from the system. Storing water in tanks is a great improvement if it benefits us now and in the future. Capturing rainwater to water plants may aid the recharging of the local aquifer because of the decreased need to use it, allowing that to be an additional resource when the drought comes. Storing food saves us should the drought mean there is less food, but spending money we one doesn't have to build those reserves could put you in more dire straights. The same goes for spending resources to put away food and then failing to use it. We've introduced unnecessary waste to the system. Apply self-regulation and accept feedback. Like a recession, by the time we realize a drought is upon us, we're already in trouble. This isn't something that happens suddenly and is gone, like a tornado or single storm, but is a long term disruption that may happen over a large area. As long term planners, after a few weeks with no rain, we being making decisions on how to handle the situation. The community begins coming together to figure out how to get the necessary work done. The nation begins directing any available volunteers where they can do the most good, while under the auspices of the local community leaders and citizens they serve. Use and value renewable resources and services. We use renewable resources and services because they're ones that can be managed easier, by individuals and communities. Though the usage could be extractive, say cutting down a tree, planting another one or allowing succession regenerates that loss so it is only temporary. In turn, this preserves the limited, scarce, and non-renewable resources so that should a problem arise, a small portion may be used to help solve the problem. For our drought conditions, this could be fuel for tanker trucks to deliver water onsite to those in need, or to move resources long distances should the local ones reach critically low stores. Produce no waste. For produce no waste, the 5 Rs come to mind: Refuse, Reuse, Reduce, Repair, Recycle, which all tie into the third ethic to reduce consumption and have a surplus to share. For our drought, that means concentrating on what matters most in the landscape and community to move forward and overcome the issues at hand, to refuse to produce any waste, to reuse as much as possible in light of the current problem, reduce the use of water to preserve for the landscape, possibly by asking people to work together to restrict water use to divert that water from other uses into the landscape. Similarly, there's no reason to grow food that the individual or community won't eat. My wife loves cherry tomatoes, but is the only member of our family who does. One cherry tomato plant is enough for our family. Growing ten doesn't make sense, even if there's more than that have currently escaped into the yard. Design from patterns to details. Patterns help focus our planning, not only in the assemblage of parts, but also in what can happen. Think about a garden you've raised, or what you hear in the news about agriculture, if there's a long dry spell, what are the first plants to begin drooping, wilt, and then die? How would that influence what you grow? In the community, you can also find out, through those acts of observation and being involved, who the leaders are, whether they think they're in charge or not. Ever notice how there's someone who people defer to when making certain decisions? Or who step up and volunteer when something needs to be done? They become leverage points to turn to when problems arise and also the jesus screws you need to keep tight when they're called upon. Within my own family, those people are my father on his side of the family, and my maternal grandmother on my mother's. Who can you identify in your own location or family should the wheels come off the system to call on to make a difference? Integrate rather than segregate. Bring things together, be they the plants and animals in a yard backyard, or the members of a community community. Whether you think individuals are dumb and groups are smart or groups are dumb and individuals are smart, bringing everyone together lends additional intellectual, social, and other yields that help solve problems. Though your neighbor may not be strong enough to lug water down the road to the horticulturist, they may have a wheelbarrow you can borrow to get their water there. Or an old farmer may remember how they made it through a drought years before, aiding your position. Use small and slow solutions. As the drought becomes apparent, rather than making huge drastic changes, we begin with little ones, looking for those leverage points where the smallest action produces the most good. Again, this will vary depending on scale. The home user may decide to eat through some stored foods that don't require water to cook so they can continue watering. A large producer may make that choice to abandon one or two crops, but not whole sections of field. As time passes and the conditions continue, the choices made adapt to the situation incrementally. The line “don't throw the baby out with the bathwater” comes to mind, because if we completely abandon something for a week and the rains come, then the solution could be worse than the problem. Use and value diversity. Permaculture abhors monocultures as much as nature. Using a diversity of plants, animals, and people, keeps the system from having a single point of failure. Even though a few parts may not make it, others may thrive, and the overall system survives. Use edges and value the marginal. Permaculture systems allow for more diversity and ways to integrate the pieces together by looking for the little places to make and use change. Everyone and everything within the system contributes something, it's up to our imagination and observation to find it, to look where others might not, and then to make use of it. Not in an extractive way, but in a functional, regenerative one. Creatively use and respond to change. With this idea, we can engage the artist and the creator rather than the engineer and logician, to move this problem from something negative and life defeating to something positive and abundant. As a drought occurs and deepens, we can use the drier conditions to our advantage. As certain previous plants die off, their passing creates new space for others, which could include bringing in plants with low water requirements or work in poor compacted soils, so we again build for the long term. Techniques that seemed unnecessary in a world without a drought get tried and tested, be those a changes in mulching, something like zai where we plant in the bottom of a shallow hole, or smoothing out the soil surface and direct it so that dew gets caught and directed towards plants on now barren spaces. We could use this as an opportunity to bring together our community with more meals cooked and eaten collectively within a neighborhood to reduce the amount of water used, and to use an economy of scale to cook food for many. And that's just a shotgun approach to looking at a drought and how these different principles allow us to prepare and respond to the disaster. Hold onto those for a few minutes, as I want to walk through a quick rundown of the agricultural/industrial model. The agriculture/industrial model that currently exists suffers from a few problems in regards to responding to something a disaster like a drought. One is the reliance on machines, some of which have limited applications for what they can and cannot plant or harvest. Needing to retool a farm because of ongoing crop failures is an expensive prospect. Now multiply that over many many farms and the impact on food prices and stability. Heck, look at the exploration of corn based ethanol in the United States and impact on world food prices. I recently read an article discussing whether or not it's worthwhile to subsidize and produce ethanol to add to gasoline given the recent impact of drought on food production in the US this year. Ending that usage may keep food prices down, but what about next year, or the year after, or the year after, if changes aren't made now. Which leads to another issue: short term thinking. Market forces and the demands placed on farmers, as I understand things, limits how far out someone can plan. Also a demand for financial profit, especially among multinational corporations that require a profit to satisfy shareholders, produces short term gains at the potential expense of the long term. The head of a company may have the best intent for implementing a 30 or 50 year vision, but when they need to go before a board once a year or quarter and talk about losses as part of a long term plan, unless everyone involved including those investors, are on board, what's the likelihood that leader keeps their job? Another short term issue that comes to mind is a reliance on extractive and functionally non-renewable resources. Initially the drought may not appear that bad to the farmers in the current model because they can turn on well pumps and pull water from the aquifer to irrigate fields. But if the recharge rate of the aquifer is lower than the irrigation rate, the ground water can become depleted. This also occurs in areas with high water tables and shallow wells. The these areas may be to sink a deeper well, but this further exacerbates the issues for others. If you wonder why water rights are such an issue in some areas, and conversations about future resources conflicts could revolve around water, imagine a world where someone doesn't have water to irrigate crops or an inability to access fresh clean drinking water. However, methods exist for reducing this problem. The agriculture/industrial model by itself, doesn't do much to build topsoil. Drive by a field at the end of harvest and look at the stubble sticking up and all that bare ground exposed to the elements. A hard late summer rain turning the runoff first clear, then tan, then brown, and finally almost black as erosion carries away the stuff food grows in. Importing fertilizers can help feed plants as fertility is lost, but what happens when there's nothing to grow in? Look at images of the dust bowl for an idea of how bad things could get in the long term. Short term thinking leads to management issues for how we use and value resources. Markets, as I understand them and recognize that my viewpoint is limited, work largely around the economic role of resources and financial capital. Without being able to assign a fair financial value to resources, or failing to assign a value at all, exacerbates management of limited resources. As I study Natural Resources Law and policy, I'm beginning to see the broad view and why we run into so many issues between industry, economists, conservationists, and activists in the current model of agriculture and industry. The resource section below includes additional links for related topics of interest. So, those are just a few of the problems I see within the current model. Within the bounds that it exists, it works more or less. Billions of people get fed off this system and the response to issues work because of the resources available to do so. However, my biggest concern as it relates to Tony's question, is whether or not there's sustainability in the long term if any of the pieces required for this to work goes away. Which is what leads me to the permacultured society. Let's take those bits and pieces from the principles and tie them all together with a more complete vision of what this society looks like and why permaculture in this case leads to people less impacted by the problem. I think that a permacultured society ultimately leads us towards, to borrow the term from Chuck Marsh, a neo-horticultural revival which creates resiliency and regeneration as the underpinnings of society. To make that happen, a shift needs to occur where more people produce food on a local scale. Figures I've seen and calculated on my own comes to a minimum of 10 percent of a society's population, would need to be producing food via horticulture. Whether on their own property or their neighbors, space needs to be opened up to allow tending where we are, not far away. Because we focus on the local, and generating a yield and a surplus, we take care of those located close to use spatially, reducing the need from someone else far away to do the same. However, should the conditions allow it, we can transfer some of those resources to a place that needs eat. For the drought, that's food to feed the hungry. But, if we're in an OK place, we can move that food to where it needs to go. The focus on local and renewable saves the use of non-renewable resources so that we can use them when appropriate, reducing the feeling they are scarce, and allowing for the feeling of abundance from what we have ready access to. Governance, in my mind, would also be largely on a local scale to make decisions meaningful for the people in a given community. Just as the needs of someone in one country and with one culture may not meet the needs of someone halfway across the world, the same goes from state to state and city to city, or town to city, or nation to city, and all permutations. However, because of a focus on cooperation, the usefulness of a state or nation doesn't go away. The ability to coordinate on a large scale and shift and move resources around on a large scale is useful, but it could be considerably smaller if the communities involved aided and worked with one another while keeping what they have. Which re-localizes economies and lessens the impact of larger scale disasters from occurring, but if they do, there's the will and direction to work through and move forward. When larger scale help arrives they should, to borrow from Ethan Hughes, meet the community where they are and work together, not assume control of the situation. So, bringing that to the issue of a long term drought, here's my permaculture society narrative. As the drought begins because of water conservation techniques, soil building, integrative pest management, and other permaculture standards, the food system is already resilient to many basic problems. A mild drought may elicit no change to practices at all or any noticeable impact. But, as the the lack of rain begins to take a toll, the individuals tending to the horticultural plots see what plants are starting to fail and which ones thrive. They speak with their colleagues, the other growers, to see what's working where and what's not to begin sorting out solutions in their own space and helping those around them save what they can. This early stage also begins the communication process to other communities to find out the extent of the issue and begin seeing where there the drought is localized and who is, no pun intended, weathering this the best. As that information comes together and begins to worsen, the information is passed to community leaders who can help put together broader scale plans to help the growers get food to market. The community can be informed and keep fear from growing by being honest and informed about what is and isn't happening, as well as how everyone can help work the plan. From there, as shortages do arise and become long term, different communities can see about shifting members to other areas nearby where there's more success to help increase food production, or to move resources from one area to another on an on-needed basis. This interconnectivity of the permaculture designed system to inter-operate on many different levels plays a key role in allowing for the resiliency that permeates a design stemming from the principles of design. But, all this is fun to put together because it's predicated by removing the hard part: I didn't have to work out how we get to a permaculture oriented society. That seems to be the big question. I got to assume that it already exists. As of yet, I don't have an answer to that idea, but I do have ideas bubbling up from underneath. Once they mature, I'm sure to share them. In the meantime, do you think that permaculture could lead to a more resilient and regenerative society? Do you have any insight into things I missed you feel are important to the conversation? Let me know. Leave a comment in the show notes. Email me: The Permaculture Podcast . Resources: Redefining Civilization with Toby Hemenway (YouTube Video) Ogallala Aquifer (Wiki) Water Losses in the Middle East (ABC News) NASA Information on Middle East Water Losses The Tragedy of the Commons A copy of the original Garrett Hardin article that started this conversation. Common Pool Resources with Elinor Ostrom (YouTube Video) Externality (Wiki) Extractive Resource Definition Non-renewable Resources (Wiki) Precautionary Principle (Wiki) The Precautionary Principle (YouTube Video with Caroline Raffensperger. Bioneers) Sustainable Use (European Commission)

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Itinerant Permaculture Schedule for 2013

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This is the upcoming schedule for my friend, and former teacher, Rico Zook. If you know anyone in Indonesia, India, Cuba, or places in between looking for a PDC or other Permaculture experience, share the word and contact Rico and his staff for more information.

2013 Schedule and Newsletter

2013 is an exciting year for us at Itinerant Permaculture, as we have a schedule which is packed full. In addition to running courses and workshops, 2013 is bringing us exciting possibilities for exciting large scale design work and consultations. In addition to that, we are working on bringing Itinerant Permaculture to you by creating a more user friendly website and informational hub, and creating a context for sharing the vision, ethics, and principals to all would be Itinerant Permaculturalists around the globe. Attached is a short list of some of what we are up to this year. Please keep an eye on our Website and Facebook to get up to date information about our whereabouts and offerings.

Feb 24th to March 12th Permaculture Design Course, Jiwa Damai, Bali, Indonesia
Co-Instructors: Jeremiah Kidd, www.sipermaculture.com
Location: Jiwa damai is a beautiful, tranquil permaculture retreat center located on 4 Hectares.
price: $950 Course fees includes a shared room (3/room) at Jiwa Dimai retreat center, 3 meals per day, optional morning yoga, and optional morning meditation.
links and web sites: www.jiwadamai.net
contact: Margret: Info@jiwadamai.net

May (4 weekends): Weekend Permaculture Workshops, Darjeeling, India
Water, Soil, Growing food in Urban Landscapes, Appropriate Technology,
Price: To be Announced Shortly: discount for taking whole series.
Location: Mineral Springs, Darjeeling, West Bengal, India
Website: www.darjeelingprerna.org
Contact: dlrprerna@yahoo.com, darjeelingprerna@gmail.com,
Phone: 91 354 2255894

June 3rd to 10th Food Production In Small Spaces, Chandigarh, Punjab, India
A training for Indian women who reside in slums

June 16th to 27th Introduction to Permaculture, Bangalore, India
Price: Indian national 15000rs, International: $400usd
Location: Navadarshanam Community
Website: www.navadarshanam.org/
Contact: gopi sankarasubramani gsankara@gmail.com

July 4th to 7th Creating our Independence and strengthening our Interdependence
Permaculture Festival and workshops, Taos, New Mexico, USA
Price: To be Announced Shortly
Location: San Cristobal, near Taos NM
Co-Instructors: Jeremiah Kidd , Jerry Schwartz, Local guests
Contact: rico@i-permaculture.org

Nov 7th to 21st 10th annual Permaculture Design Course, Darjeeling India
Indias longest running permaculture design course
Price: International 23000rs, Indian 17000rs, Locals 11000rs,
Location: Mineral Springs, Darjeeling, West Bengal, India
Website: www.darjeelingprerna.org
Phone: +91 354 2255894
Contact: dlrprerna@yahoo.com, darjeelingprerna@gmail.com

Nov 24th to December 6th International Permaculture Convergence, Havana Cuba
Rico will be attending and presenting at the IPC 2013.

We already have our eye out for 2014 which might be bringing us to Laos, and The Palestinian Territories early in the year for PDC offerings. Keep checking back if these might interest you. If you are interested in Hosting a course with us please visit our website for more information. If you would like to offer any support, particularly in the form of website design or coding, please email permyfany@gmail.com,and tell us your skills and how you would like to help. We look forward to seeing you in our path, and to those who we don’t, have a great year and Get Growing!!

Wherever you are is the place to start learning and working with Permaculture. If you are on the road or living where you were born all that is offered here is applicable. If your trip is for a week or a year you will find things here that will assist you. Itinerant Permaculture is what happens from spontaneous meetings, from paths crossing by chance, from volunteering to assist on a farm or in a community. Permaculture is the toolbox you carry with you while traveling. It is the way you view and understand the road and the world. It is an aspect of all that you do, from digging a hole to building a community. It need not be explicit, and really should only be so if the situation encourages it. The point is that to create a sustainable human culture we need to infuse sustainability in all that we do moment to moment, whether on the road or at home. The following courses will assist you in creating your own bit of sustainability and help us all create a more sustainable world

RICO ZOOK: PERMACULTURE DESIGNER, CONSULTANT AND TEACHER
www.i-permaculture.org and www.facebook.com/itinerant.permaculture

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Bill Sommers - The Permaculture Credit Union

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My guest for this episode is Bill Sommers, president of the Permaculture Credit Union in Santa Fe, New Mexico.

Though I'd heard about the Permaculture Credit Union before, I didn't get around to looking into it further until Wes Roe, one of the board members of PCU, contacted me with the suggestion of talking to Bill. In setting up the interview, I spoke with Bill at length, and felt his background offered a unique perspective to discuss banking and financial permaculture; he's been involved in finance and business for over 30 years including holding a Master of Business Administration degree from Loyola College. Here is a banker who also practices permaculture. This interview adds another model to those presented by Eric Toensmeier and Lisa Fernandes on applying permaculture more broadly, particularly to business. We begin with Bill's background in the world of banking and finance, and how he came to permaculture. From there we move to the Permaculture Credit Union: how the organization began, the process involved to get started, and the ethos that allows people to join the credit union and also bind them together philosophically. Throughout it all, Bill speaks with clarity and frankness as I seek details on understanding the causes of the financial crisis/melt down/great recession over the last few years, and how the Permaculture Credit Union performed in comparison to the big banks. We throw some numbers around and touch on esoteric ideas behind what makes a particular financial institution secure or insecure. We close out talking about how community focused banks can make a difference to the people that live within there, even if the bank is located hundreds, or thousands, of miles away. In the information age physical location may matter less and less, but the we should ally with those who agree that the best place to start building a better world is at home, in our neighborhood, and our nearest town or city. Resources: Permaculture Credit Union 8 Forms of Capital

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Lisa Fernandes - Community Food Systems and Abundance

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My guest for this episode is Lisa Fernandes, a permaculture practitioner and teacher, from Portland, Maine who is involved with the Eat Local Foods Coalition.

We begin by talking about the Eat Local Foods Coalition which leads to talking about Community Supported Fisheries (CSF), a sea-food based analogue to Community Supported Agriculture, where consumers directly support producers. A question I pose about the sustainability of these systems leads us down the road of considering water quality when we design for the land, the evolving nature of permaculture education, and the need for a mindset of abundance. Though the food system and abundance conversations exist across a gulf of this episode, the way they tie together resulted in the title of this episode. Eric Toensmeier mentioned Lisa in a previous episode which lead me to want to talk to her. I'm thankful I did. Lisa comes through in a clear voice that articulates her connections to this material, and her points, concisely, as opposed to my own rambling meanderings.

Resources:
Lisa M. Fernandes
Resilience Hub
Portland Maine Permaculture

Fisheries:
Ted Ames
Gulf of Maine Research Institute
Northwest Atlantic Marine Alliance
Penobscot East Resource Center

Food Systems:
Russell Libby
Eat Local Foods Coalition
Food Solutions New England
The Maine Food Strategy
Northeast Permaculture Region
Northeast Sustainable Agriculture Working Group

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Permabyte: An Online PDC+

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After spending many hours over the last two weeks speaking, trading email, and social media notes, with many people, I think the best course I can offer is what I'm calling a “Principles and Projects PDC+”.

This episode details what that means. I want to offer something more than just the PDC that represents a solid value in your education down this road of regenerative design. By the course end I want you to feel comfortable with the material, like a natural part of your thought process. For you to have a well developed portfolio, or property, to point to when someone asks what work you've done. That you'll have mistakes to use as teaching moments. To know about local resources and hurdles. To be an expert in your own local area when someone has a question. For you to add to the permaculture community and be respected in your own right. Does this sound like something you'd be interested in? I'm looking to open up registration for the first class in the middle of May, with the first packet being mailed out July 1, 2013. I'm considering a sliding scale range of $75-125/month, or $900-1500 over the year for the entire course, with the possibility of work study as partial or full payment. Listen to the episode and get an understanding of what this course will entail and then contact me if you're in or have any further questions, so I can keep you informed along the way. Or, if you don't like what I have to offer and would like a shorter, more traditional PDC, I can point you to some folks doing that right now. Email: The Permaculture Podcast .

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Christopher Shein - The Vegetable Gardener's Guide to Permaculture

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My guest for this episode is Christopher Shein, a permaculture designer and teacher from the Bay area of California, who recently co-authored the book The Vegetable Gardener's Guide to Permaculture: Creating an Edible Ecosystem.

We discuss his book from the context of how he got involved with writing the book, working with a publisher, and the process of why and what got included in the final product. We also talk about his role as a teacher at Merritt Community College, where he's taught for 11 years, graduating around 700 PDC students in that time, the way he approaches the class as a hands-on endeavor, serving as another model for teaching Permaculture, and the permutations and changes coming as Permaculture continues to mature. 

Christopher clearly came from a place of knowledge and experience with Permaculture, so the book sounded interesting, coming from someone so steeped in the design and practice. That caused me to reach out to Christopher for an interview as well as his publisher about an advance copy of the book to read in preparation. Even though my copy was an uncorrected proof, the material stood out solidly and I liked it. If you would like to learn more about Christopher, you can find him at his personal website: wildheartgardens.com, or at the Merritt College Landscape Horticulture website: merrittlandhort.com, or at Timber Press, where you can pick up a copy of the book, timberpress.com.

Resources:
Wildheart Gardens Christopher's Website
Merritt College Landscape Horticulture
Timber Press Christopher's Publisher. Links directly to his book.
Bay Area Seed Interchange Library (B.A.S.I.L.)
Detroit Summer Program
Linnaea Farm Where Christopher studied Permaculture.

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Review: The Vegetable Gardener's Guide to Permaculture

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I received a pre-release copy of The Vegetable Gardener's Guide to Permaculture and liked it very much for all that it is and everything that it is not. The information and writing is general, approachable, and easy to read.

If we place some of the permaculture books already on the market on a scale of 1 to 10 for readability and as an introduction to permaculture, starting with the heavy's on the upper end of the scale: Mollison's Designers' Manual at 10 and Holmgren's Permaculture: Principles and Pathways at 7. In the middle to lower end, I'd lump in Hemenway's Gaia's Garden at, say, 5, and Peter Bane's The Permaculture Handbook at 3. That leaves The Vegetable Gardener's Guide to Permaculture firmly at a 1.

That's the place we need a book on permaculture, and this book fits that need perfectly. This isn't for the professional designer or even someone who read some of the other titles mentioned. This book is to give to the masses and start their way down the road of ecological design. The book to have on hand when talking before garden clubs or civic groups. Or, for me to give to my father when he asks me, again, what it is I do with my life. Why do I say that? This is a gorgeous book with plenty of pictures I'd leave on my coffee table with a blend of gardening and design ideas throughout, including simple takeaway projects someone can try, that aren't intimidating, expensive, or time-consuming. There are lists of what to plant that include plants I'd dare to say most folks have heard of and the ways to adopt them, and the other information, to different climates. The overview of design lacks jargon or other inaccessible language, all while still keeping permaculture at the core. Through it all, Christopher's personal story and journey are woven as a narrative that allow the reader to relate to him and his place in the world by removing the technical and including the human. From my interview with Christopher, a lot of work went into getting those results, but it's an overwhelming success and a worthy addition to a beginner's library. If this is your first exposure to Permaculture: buy this book. If you know permaculture and want a way to share it with someone else, or you've read some of the other permaculture titles and shake your head going “huh, I don't get it”, pick up a copy. It's the right place for them, or you, to start.

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Erin Harvey - Starting a Small Scale Farm

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My guest for this episode is Erin Harvey, a trained permaculture designer, who owns and runs The Kale Yard, a small scale farm, in Granville, Ohio, who I met and became friends with while taking my permaculture design course with Susquehanna Permaculture.

he set out in 2011, after many years of working on farms for others, to sow the soil for herself. We focus largely on her work of becoming established: finding land, developing solutions within the limitations she discovered, establishing markets, and developing a customer base. As tends to be the case, that's only an overview of some major topics, with other pieces filling in along the way. I wanted to talk to Erin because she's a friend of mine and I knew we could have a candid conversation about the process of transitioning to farming in a realistic, on the ground, way without romanticizing the experience or implying this is an easy path for everyone. That candor comes through when we cover how much land she farms, yields, and farming income, further personalizing by including the restrictions she set for herself in approaching farming on her own terms. There are lessons here for all of us inside and outside the lens of permaculture when we look at producing food, and the decisions we need to make. Resources: The Kale Yard The Organic Farmer's Business Handbook (Chelsea Green Publishing) Contact the Show: Email: The Permaculture Podcast

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Adam Brock - Urban Agriculture and The GrowHaus

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My guest is Adam Brock, a trained permaculturist and the Director of Operations of The GrowHaus a Denver, Colorado, based non-profit practicing hydroponics and aquaponics.

During our conversation we talk about The GrowHaus as a model for others who want to implement Urban Agriculture and along the way touch on invisible structures in Permaculture, engaging the community, practicing Permaculture in the city of Denver, which in turn leads us to both climatic issues such as sun, rain, and plant selection, but also water rights and the need to work with regulators. When I first became aware of The GrowHaus and traded email with Adam to setup the interview, my biggest question arose about how the people and organization worked on objectives of the goal “...to provide healthy, affordable food for the surrounding community and raise awareness about issues of food justice and sustainability.” The answers surprised me. As often happens I'm left speechless for a little bit, but thankfully can edit that out. You do, however, hear some of my joy for their work and the process. Another area that really stood out was in the conversation of social justice. I find when the word justice is attached to a term describing a movement towards equality, or a level playing field, the rhetoric can turn heated, or the phrase used to allow someone opposed to the idea to dismiss the advocate and their argument. But you should listen to what Adam says and the way that The GrowHaus works to provide a hand-up through personal engagement and responsibility, rather than a hand-out. Just as Adam and his colleagues grow food to physically nourish the members of the community, they also nurture the financial growth of those people. But, you should listen to the interview to hear the rest of that. Resources The GrowHaus Contact the Show The Permaculture Podcast

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