Lisa Stokke - Next 7

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This interview contains a conversation on Haudenosaunee (Iroquois Confederacy) beliefs reflective of popular rather than historical views. For more detailed information on the history and culture of these First Americans visit:  https://www.haudenosauneeconfederacy.com/

In this episode, David Bilbrey returns to sit in the host chair during this conversation with Lisa Stokke, one of the founders of Food Democracy Now!, to talk about her latest project, Next 7, which focuses on bringing people together who believe in advocating ideas and solutions to benefit the next 7 generations.

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Viktor Zaunders - Local Food Nodes

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My guest today is Viktor Zaunders, one of the creators of localfoodnodes.org, a website designed to directly connect food producers and consumers. During the conversation, he shares with us the background for this project, the importance of building relationships in our food system, and how you can get involved and start your own food node.

Find out more about this project and how to get involved by visiting:
LocalFoodNodes.org (English)
LocalFoodNodes.org (Swedish)
Creating Your Own Food Node (Medium article by Viktor)
Local Food Nodes GitHub Wiki

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Gianaclis Caldwell - Mastering Cheesemaking

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Gianaclis Caldwell is the author of a modern classic on cheese production, Mastering Artisan Cheesemaking from Chelsea Green Publishing, and her new book to help get anyone started, Mastering Basic Cheesemaking from New Society Publishers.

These books and her expertise form the basis for our conversation today about animal cheeses, whether you start with goat, sheep, or cow milk. I dive in with all my questions about starting supplies; expected yields; soft versus hard cheeses; the different types of cheese; and an exploration of rennet, including three types to look for and one to avoid. As Gianaclis joined me previously for Holistic Goat Care, we begin with a brief overview of her background and then get cheesy.

Find out more about her and her books at gianacliscaldwell.com.

As you heard during this conversation, I’m really inspired by people like Gianaclis that take these ideas that at first seem so complex, and break down the mystery into easy steps we can follow. Sure, we might make mistakes or have some failures, but we can take what we learn and try again. Using what she shares with us, we can start with a $4 gallon of store-bought commercial cow milk and make our first pound of cheese. If we want, then we can seek out grass-fed organic or raw milk, try sheep or goat milk, and see how that changes what we get. But if we don’t want to, we never have to. We can keep using that same grocery store jug while still getting something better than store-bought. Though I haven’t made my own cheese yet, as my children look at me with that “Dad? Really?” look every time I bring it up, I feel comfortable and confident that when we do get to it, we’ll wind up with not only some great cheese but also a fond memory.

Those experiences are the ones we need to create the world we want to live in, and so I encourage each of you to keep playing, in the kitchen, in the garden, field, and forest, to find those moments that speak to you, add to your set of skills, and help you to be who you are called to. If there is any way I can help you on that journey, get in touch by leaving a comment below.

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Gianaclis Caldwell
Pholia Farm Dairy
Mastering Basic Cheesemaking (New Society Publishers)
Mastering Artisan Cheesemaking (Chelsea Green Publishing)
American Cheese Society - Vern Caldwell
Holistic Goat Care (Chelsea Green)

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Gianaclis Caldwell -  Holistic Goat Care

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Paul Hellier - Fair Food Forager

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My guest for this episode is Paul Hellier, part of the team creating the website and app by the same name, designed to help us make better decisions about what we buy, where we buy it from, and the ecological impacts of those choices. Fair Food Forager does this by providing listings of businesses that align with various ethical choices across thirteen different categories. Some of those include reduced waste or composting, reduced plastic, vegetarian, and chemical-free or organic.

Designed to reach an international audience, you’ll currently find listings in Australia, Cambodia, Canada, Indonesia, New Zealand, Singapore, United Kingdom, and the United States, with the aim to expand into other areas as users and business owners add their listings to the Fair Food Forager database. If after listening to this interview you are interested in helping out with the project, get involved and begin interacting with local business owners in your area to find out more about what they’re doing that aligns with your goals, and then list them on the website, or in the iOS or Android app. You’ll hear more about that process, and what Paul and the team have in mind, during this conversation. We start immediately with Paul sharing his background, before talking about what moved Paul to create this service, and the impact we can have through individual and community choices.

Find out more about Paul and this project at FairFoodForager.com.au and by searching for Fair Food Forager in the iOS or Android app store.

Once you've given this interview a listen, leave a comment below and let me know your thoughts. 

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Gianaclis Caldwell - Holistic Goat Care

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My guest is the author, cheesemaker, and goatherd Gianaclis Caldwell of Pholia Farm Dairy. She joins me to talk about her latest book Holistic Goat Care from Chelsea Green Publishing.

Using that complete approach we talk about goats on a farm and homestead, including needs and yields such as diet and nutrition; guard animals; common predators; fencing and shelter; and temperament and socialization. For those of you who want to raise goats, we also talk about what to expect when you expect to do so, like where to find your first goats and some reading and other preparations to start with before buying them. In this conversation, Gianaclis demystifies the requirements and practices needed to begin keeping a herd of goats, whether in the city, suburbs or on a farm.

Find out more about her and her work at gianacliscaldwell.com, pholiafarm.com, and Holistic Goat Care at ChelseaGreen.com.

Can you see how to integrate goats into your permaculture design? Are you already raising goats? What thoughts do you have after hearing this interview? Let me know. Leave a comment below.

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Gianaclis Caldwell
Pholia Farm Dairy
Holistic Goat Care (Chelsea Green)

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Adam Brock - Change Here Now

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How do we create the world with the social and economic structures we desire? How do we distill the problems that we see over and over again in that context so they are easy to understand, that lead to solutions with a universal application?

By creating a pattern language, an idea first coined in 1977 by Christopher Alexander in the book A Pattern Language: Towns - Buildings - Construction. My guest today, Adam Brock, took that lens, originally applied to architecture and structures, and used it to examine our invisible structures, which resulted in his book Change Here Now: Permaculture Solutions for Personal and Community Transformation. During the conversation today we talk about the development of the book and some of his processes on going from concept to published manuscript. We also touch on some of the challenging conversations that arise from looking broadly at we apply permaculture and these patterns to our communities, including some of the dialogues we should consider engaging in as neighbors or leaders. We close of course with Adam final thoughts, but not before he shares some of the patterns he developed, including Dynamic Pricing and Nurtured Networks.

You can find out more about Adam and his book, including upcoming events, at AdamBrock.me.

Do this quick introduction to Pattern Languages and the conversation with Adam make sense? Can you see using this kind of patterning and a pattern language in your own work? Will you be picking up a copy of Change Here Now to get a better understanding of these ideas and how to apply them? E

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AdamBrock.me
Overton Window (Wiki)

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Together Resilient

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How do we intentionally live together in those communities? How do we create those communities? What training should we have if we already living in or planning to move into an intentional community?

These are some of the questions my guest Ma’ikwe Ludwig, author of Together Resilient, examines with us during our conversation. She also addresses how intentional communities help to create resilience for members, dispels some of the hippie myths about communal living, and gives us an overview of the different types of intentional communities. She also shares how shared values or needs bind us together, and how communities fail. In the end, this interview is about creating a cooperative culture so that together we can lean into one another and create the resilience required in order to live with abundance and joy, whatever the future may hold. After listening to this interview, what are your thoughts on intentional communities? Do you live in one or are you considering it? Let me know by leaving a comment.

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Ma’ikwe Ludwig
Together Resilient (Chelsea Green)
Transition Network
Transition US
Fellowship for Intentional Community
North American Students of Cooperation
The Cohousing Association of the United States
Global Ecovillage Network
Federation of Egalitarian Communities
Hofstede’s Five Dimensions of Culture

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David Holmgren - Revising Permaculture

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avid Holmgren joins me to talk about his work on revising his now-classic text, Permaculture: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability. His focus in doing so was to give the book greater clarity, to make it more accessible, and a little easier for a novice to approach. Starting in that space, we also talk about the evolution of Permaculture principles in general, whether we should talk about resilience as a principle or system characteristic, before moving on to talk about the security that comes from growing our own food.

We then move to talk about adapting the space where people already live, in low-density residential housing in cities, towns, and villages so that they can create resilient households. That strong household provides the base from which to rebuild our communities. These ideas are a reflection on David’s work of the last several years, which leads to another upcoming book, RetroSuburbia. I’m planning another interview with David to focus more on this book at that time. We begin to wrap up the conversation with some listener questions on Novel Ecosystems and whether or not he’ll be coming to the United States with the new release of Permaculture or RetroSuburbia. We close, of course, with David’s closing thoughts. Enjoy this interview and let me know what you think by leaving a comment below.

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Holmgren Design
Why I haven’t been flying (much)

Novel Ecosystems
Beyond the War on Invasive Species - Tao Orion
The New Wild - Fred Pearce
Novel Ecosystems: Intervening in the New Ecological World Order
Permaculture Design Magazine
Michael Wilson PhD on Willow Ecology
Natural Sequence Farming - Peter Andrews
Mulloon Creek Farms

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Permaculture Magazine, North America

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Hannah Apricot Eckberg, the editor of Permaculture Magazine, North America, joins me to share her role in the creation and launch of the latest North American permaculture periodical. Along the way, we talk about how permaculture practitioners, especially media producers whether they are publishers or podcasters, can engage in some cooperatition, a friendly form of cooperative competition, and cooperation to strengthen the community and our own individual work. That there is room for more producers.

We also touch on the current state of permaculture and the feedback we are both receiving from our respective contacts and audiences; how to make permaculture more accessible, and moving beyond the idea of a 9 to 5. With that last part, it includes how we can make a living doing what we believe in. How to make the decisions that encourage our lifestyle while also looking for ways to make a difference. One of those decisions that I am constantly making, thanks to the question from my friend Jason Godesky, is whether or not I'm ready to compromise. Right now, I'm not. By choosing not to I am led back, over and over again, to leaning into and trusting The Gift. It doesn't always make sense, but so far it has worked so I return to it. After reading these show notes and listening to the episode, with a longer than usual introduction, what are your thoughts on all of this? Leave a comment below, or get in touch by the usual ways

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Permaculture Magazine  The original UK magazine, still in print thanks to Tim and Maddy Harland.
Get Oil Out
Santa Barbara Permaculture Network, home of Margie Bushman and Wes Roe.
Warren Brush
Conscious Company
The Soul of Money
Jason Godesky - The Fifth World

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Returning To The Gift - a Fundraiser

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Once or twice a year I have to ask for money. Not just as a general “hey, please donate,” but with specific needs and goals in mind.

Since giving up my career in IT, I subsist solely on income derived from permaculture and the podcast.

When I started, I never would have believed this possible.

When I started, this wouldn’t have been possible.

And yet, for nearly seven years, simply by asking you to give I’ve been able to dedicate all of my labor towards creating this show. From humble beginnings where I was the only subscriber, this podcast now spreads permaculture to every corner of the globe, from Japan to Ethiopia. Anyone with an internet connection and who speaks English, whether as their first, second, or another language, can tune in and learn about how to create the world they want to live in. To take care of Earth, themselves, and each other.

I originally started this show and became a podcaster in order to write my own education. To clarify my thoughts on permaculture and to share that with others. To receive feedback and further refine my ideas. It took weeks to get a subscriber other than myself. Then one after another, after another, the show grew until there were dozens of people who decided to listen.

A year or so later, I took a break. Coming back I found that instead of 300 listeners, there were 1,200 and the show now reaches tens of thousands each year. Not bad for a little niche show on how to change our lives and the world through intentional design.

From those early days of work on my own education that reached a few hundred people, the show became more than that, to the point that it is no longer about my education. The Permaculture Podcast now has three goals:

1. To act as a resource for anyone with access to the internet to hear the voices of the permaculture community in particular and the larger regenerative movement in general. People they might not be aware of. People who are engaged in the kind of work and projects they are, not only through the interviews and episodes, but also through direct contact via email, phone calls, letters, and comments. Anyone who hears, reads, or is given my contact information have access to the wealth of resources at my disposal.

2. To help my guests share their stories well, by making the interviews relaxed and open-ended with a conversational tone, easy going approach, and attention to post-production editing.

By focusing on those details publishers and publicists now reach out to me for first time interviews with new authors. Literally, the first time they have recorded a conversation for their book, project, or specialty. You can hear them here before anywhere else.

3. To help members of the community share their classes, workshops, and convergences so that more people can access what they have to give to the world. Wherever possible, to do that in a way that is supportive of the teacher and organizer’s work regardless of class size or fiscal budget.

With those goals, I originally embraced The Gift economy to support the show, and that has been my main way to keep things going over the years. With that in mind, I’d like the gift to stay the focus of the show so that I can turn my attention to creating more episodes and foster relationships of exchange and community, rather than financial reciprocity. You’ve probably heard lately that I’ve been trying some different things over the past year, but I’d like to return to the way things were while continuing to keep this material accessible.

In order to do that, I need you. Between now and September 10th, my 38th birthday, I’m holding my big annual fundraiser in order to meet two financial goals, both of which are based on the same need: healthcare.

The first is that I need to raise $1,000 by August 8th in order to continue my venom immunotherapy treatment. These funds will pay for a vial of venom, my annual checkup, and the next year of injections. Thankfully this is my 5th and final year of this therapy.

As a special thank you during this campaign whoever donates the 1000th dollar will receive my personal copy of Permaculture: A Designers’ Manual.

Overall my goal is to raise $7,000 by October 10th, the 7 year anniversary of the completing my Permaulture Design Course and the creation of this show. I’ll use these funds to purchase health insurance that is accepted by my providers, while also being able to breathe a little more easily. With that moment of breath, I can build the relationships necessary to sustain the show long term, such as getting to 500 people donating $5 a month via Patreon, so I wouldn’t have to do any more of these fundraisers.

More than that, however, by raising these funds, we insure another year of this podcast. $7,000 to bring permaculture to the world.

As a thank you, anyone who donates between now and September 10, 2017, are eligible to enter to win what I consider the start to a great permaculture library and includes:

One-Straw Revolution by Masanobu Fukuoka
Thinking in Systems: A Primer by Donella Meadows
Earthuser’s Guide to Permaculture by Rosemary Morrow
Permaculture: Principles and Pathways Beyond Sustainability by David Holmgren

If we hit this goal by my 38th birthday, September 10th, I’ll include both volumes of Dave Jacke and Eric Toensmeier’s Edible Forest Garden.

Once we reach that goal, I’ll include stretch goals that include more resources like Farming the Woods, The Permaculture City, Beyond the War on Invasive Species, The Forest Garden Greenhouse, Integrated Forest Gardening, The Community-Scale Permaculture Farm, and many others. There is the potential for someone to receive a complete permaculture library through this campaign. My personal library.

If a one-time donation isn’t your thing and you’d like to become a recurring donor, there is also a special giveaway for those who sign up for Patreon. On October 10th, I’ll give away a copy of Permaculture: A Designers’ Manual to one of my Patreon supporter. Already a Patreon supporter? You are automatically entered into this. No response or comment necessary.

And, as October marks the 7th anniversary of the show, I don’t want to leave you out if you are unable to donate at this time. Anyone who sends me a postcard or letter with their name and address is also eligible for the overall drawing.

Thank you for being part of such an amazing show for nearly 7 years. I look forward to another 7, and another 7 after that.

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