Wayne Herring - Farming During Transition

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My guest for this episode is Wayne Herring of Herrings Green Grass Farm, and two time guest on the program. His first appearance on the show was to discuss starting a sustainable family farm, and the second as a listener question and answer session about small scale farming. This time we talk about his transition away from his corporate life so that he can be near home on a regular basis, as well as starting his creation of a new home-based business, Herring Coach, which helps to provide a balance between family, farming, and income. He also shares with us his thoughts on farming, and paying farmers a reasonable salary for their work, the economics of farming, and the many hats he wears to get everything done. If after listening to this episode you would like to reach out to Wayne to learn more about his work as a farmer or so he can help you build your own professional permaculture niche, you can reach him at: w.herring (at) herringcoach (dot) com. We're also discussing, as you'll hear, about my returning when things get busy to do another conversation. If this is something you would like, please send questions to me through the usual ways. E-Mail: The Permaculture Podcast Facebook: Facebook.com/thepermaculturepodcast Twitter: @permaculturecst Postal Mail: The Permaculture Podcast The Permaculture Podcast (Episode: 2014-014)

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Dr. John Kitsteiner - Healthy Food, Healthy Living

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My guest for this episode is Dr. John Kitsteiner, a medical doctor and permaculture practitioner. He also runs the very good website, Temperate Climate Permaculture. I've known of him and his work from my times spent as a member of the Survival Podcast forums community, and through his site. A listener suggested him as a guest after he posted a series of articles titled Dr. Permaculture's Guide to Healthy Eating Part 1, Part 2, and Part 3. After listening to this show, I highly recommend you go read those, as well as his article series The Myth of the Perfect Job, Parts 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. [caption width="2100" align="alignleft"]Dr. John Kitsteiner Dr. John Kitsteiner[/caption] If you'll be attending the Permaculture Voice Conference March 13-16, 2014, in Temecula, California, you can meet John. He will be there as an attendee and presenter. Tell him hello for me if you get a chance. He and I have never met, but I look forward to the opportunity in the future. For more information on some of the ideas presented here, I recommend listening to the past interviews with Arthur Haines about Wild Foods, Mary Johnson's introduction to nutrient dense farming, and Dan Kittredge's conversation about nutrient dense foods. From here, my next guest is Wayne Herring of Herring's Green Grass Farm, a past guest, to continue the discussion about food and small scale farming. In the meantime, I'll be attending the A Gathering of Farmer's conference on March 8th, 2014, at Wilson College in Chambersburg, PA. Part of my time there will be as a presenter for a Permaculture 101 workshop. If you're in the area, stop by, and join in all the fun. As always, if you have any questions or comments feel free to get in touch with me. The usual ways are: E-mail: The Permaculture Podcast Facebook: Facebook.com/ThePermaculturePodcast Twitter: @permaculturecst Postal Mail: The Permaculture Podcast with Scott Mann The Permaculture Podcast Until the next time, take care of the Earth, your self, and each other. (Episode 2014-013)

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Kelly Ware - Permaculture and The Kingdom

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This episode is a continuation of the Faith and Earth Care series. This time, I speak with Kelly Ware, a permaculturist from Montana with one of the oldest known permaculture sites in the state. We talk about her thoughts on the idea of Permaculture and the Kingdom: bringing together the practices, and practitioners, of the Christian Faith with Permaculture. Whereas the first in this series, my conversation with Rhamis Kent, was a secular look at the elements of Earth Care in Islam, the conversation with Kelly is interwoven with her personal story of moving from a place of non-belief to one of faith and then to how we can do more to connect with others and build community. I enjoyed myself quite a bit in this conversation with Kelly and had a fun time talking about this topic from such a different perspective. We went to many different places in our conversation and I’m thankful that for all the sideline questions I asked things came together nicely in the end. You’ll find links with more information on how to connect with Kelly in the show notes. If you enjoy this interview, or any other episodes in the growing archive, help me reach the goal of releasing at least 75 episodes in 2014 by making a donation to the show. Your support is the only financial means of making that happen, and also support show related projects such as the Traveling Permaculture Library. Find out how to help at: www.thepermaculturepodcast.com/support. Also, if you haven’t heard them yet, I suggest you go back and listen to the interviews with Larry Santoyo and Dave Jacke. They both spoke about the engagement we as permaculture practitioners need in order to grow the so called “invisible structures” and make permaculture happen. With her personal experience with the community composed of the body of the I think that Kelly’s approach is incredibly useful to that end. Though I haven’t, and won’t, discuss my own faith tradition, or a lack there-of, I have applied many of the ideas that Kelly presented to engage like-minded organizations locally. Meeting people where they are at makes a huge difference. Find the common ground and talk in that space. The rest will follow. If you’d like to talk to me about our common ground, or even where we disagree, feel free to send me an email: The Permaculture Podcast or give me a call: . As this is part of the faith and earth care series, the next episode on this subject will be the second part of the conversation with Rhamis Kent about "Islam and Earth Care" on March 18th, 2014. Then my friend Paul Tomkiel, a Lutheran Vicar, will speak about the "Christian Theology of Earth Care" on April 8th, 2014. But, those are many weeks away. In the meantime I’ll be releasing a review of the book Regenerative Enterprise, and then the next interview will be with Dr. John Kitsteiner to discuss Permaculture and Our Health. I’ll be attending the A Gathering of Farmer’s conference on March 8th, 2014 at Wilson College in Chambersburg, PA. and presenting a workshop on Permaculture 101. For that event the Keynote speaker is Brian Snyder the executive director of the Pennsylvania Sustainable Agriculture Association. Reverend Billy and the Stop Shopping Choir are there as entertainment. Should be a good time, and I’m quite looking forward to it. Come by if you can. I look forward to seeing you there. Resources: Contact Kelly: permakel@gmail.com Permaculture and The Kingdom Thread (Permies Forum) Permaculture Montana Facebook Page Surviving Off Off-Grid by Michael Bunker The Love Revolution by Joyce Meyer

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Wilson Alvarez and Ben Weiss - Rewilding

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My guests for this episode are Wilson Alvarez and Ben Weiss. They are permaculture teachers and practitioners from Lancaster, Pennsylvania, who focus on rewilding, observation, and tending the wild. I also consider them my friends and colleagues in the community, having learned and shared a great deal with both of them. We've also sat down and broke bread by sharing meals with one another. This is their third time on the show. Their past episodes are: Restoring Eden: Zone 4 Permaculture with Wilson Alvarez and Ben Weiss Listener Q&A: Zone 4 Permaculture with Wilson Alvarez and Ben Weiss In this conversation we spend much of our time talking about their advanced PDC, which revolves around three core concepts: 1. Reconnection 2. Regeneration 3. Rebellion It is quite a conversation and I look forward to having more with them around this expertise of re-wilding and observation. I am reminded of David Holmgren’s suggestion that we all find our niches, as I continue to develop my own. I'll also be visiting Wilson, Ben, and Natasha on February 27th, so if you have any follow-up questions for any of them, please let me know. Contact Wilson and Ben: Wilson Alvarez: rebelgardentools@gmail.com Ben Weiss: susq.permaculture@yahoo.com Resources: Susquehanna Permaculture Facebook Page Aboriginal Men of High Degree by A.P. Elkin Native Science by Gregory Cajete Rewilding (Conservation Biology) (Wiki) Rewilding (anarchism) (Wiki) Practical Rewilding by Sky (Article from The Anarchist Library) The Forest People (Archive.org. Free Download.) by Colin Turnbull (Wiki) The Rewilding Institute and Dave Foreman. A Note From Scott: I’ll be attending A Gathering of Farmers on March 8th, 2014 being held by Certified Naturally Grown. This event is on the grounds of Wilson College in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.  If you are in the area and would like to attend perhaps we can take a few moments to meet and catch up. Contact the Show: E-mail: The Permaculture Podcast Facebook: Facebook.com/ThePermaculturePodcast Twitter: @permaculturecst (Episode 2014-011)

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Adam Campbell - Right Living and Authentic Education

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My guest for this episode is Adam Campbell, a permaculture teacher who lives at the Stillwater Sanctuary and teaches at the Peace and Permaculture Center. This is the second of several episodes that come from one long conversation I had with Adam.  As this picks up right where things left off, it’s best if you start with that first show and then join us again afterwards.  In this case we begin with him sharing a story about his friend Megan who started her a Personal Honesty Project, and what making a radical change in one’s life is like. We also talk about having confidence and trusting yourself to do transformative work, and move to more about thoughts on education and learning, inside and outside the traditional school system and hall of academia. I think this episode fits well with the past interviews from Natasha Alvarez, Stephen Harrod Buhner, and of course Ethan Hughes (Part 1) (Part 2). I have another 2 hours of raw audio from the day he and I spoke, so expect to release another 2 episodes with Adam in the future. Something I want to speak to is near the beginning of this conversation when Adam and I were talking about making new models that work for our selves and others, and about giving up things to find what we do and don’t need. One of my fellow martial arts students and I were working through some fencing material and he kept saying, “Make it smaller.  Make it smaller. Keep making it smaller until it doesn’t work, then make it a bit bigger.” That’s how I've come to think about these changes we make in our lives. Start with little changes and keep removing pieces and removing pieces, until you get to a place that doesn’t work, where something isn’t right, and then add a bit more back to it. Then you’ll know what your tolerances are for something and can find what really works for you. What you really need. What you are capable of. And have a place to take action from. But, you need to act. Resources: Peace and Permaculture Education with Adam Campbell (Part 1 of this series) Blessed Unrest by Paul Hawken Non-Violent Communication by Dr. Marshall Rosenberg The Heroes Journey (Monomyth) as considered by Joseph Campbell (Wiki Links) The Four Agreements and Don Miguel Ruiz Think Little (Links to a PDF) by Wendell Berry A Note From Scott: I’ll be attending A Gathering of Farmers on March 8th, 2014 being held by Certified Naturally Grown. This event is on the grounds of Wilson College in Chambersburg, Pennsylvania.  If you are in the area and would like to attend perhaps we can take a few moments to meet and catch up. Contact the show: E-mail: The Permaculture Podcast Facebook: Facebook.com/ThePermaculturePodcast Twitter: @permaculturecst (Episode 2014-010)

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Natasha Alvarez - Permaculture as Revolution

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My guest for this episode is Natasha Alvarez, a permaculture teacher, naturalist, and herbalist from Lancaster Pennsylvania. In this episode we talk about her idea of Permaculture as Revolution as expressed in her project, The Year of Black Clothing. By finding our love for the world, we can move towards action, by focusing on our passion. But, of course, we cover so much more along the way. Though I wrapped up this show a few weeks after interviewing Natasha, I still agree with my closing sentiment. I have nothing more to add to this conversation than what is here, except to say this: if you need help, ask for it, and we will do what we can to aid you. Contact Natasha: Website: The Year of Black Clothing E-mail: mourningsolidarityrebellion@gmail.com Facebook: Facebook.com/Mourning.Solidarity.Rebellion Contact the show: E-mail: The Permaculture Podcast">The Permaculture Podcast Facebook: Facebook.com/ThePermaculturePodcast Twitter: @permaculturecst Resources: The Wilderness Awareness School (Episode 2014-009)

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Eric Puro - Natural Building and ThePoosh.org

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My guest for this episode is Eric Puro of ThePoosh.org. He is a natural builder from the United States currently living in Portugal developing several sustainable building projects. In this episode we talk about the work of his organization, what it’s like to learn how to do this kind of building, as well as the decision making that’s involved with bringing a group of builders and volunteers together. 

A Poosh Building Crew

I think you’ll find as you listen to this a certain resonance with past guests including Bob Theis (Part 1 and Part 2), Stephen Harrod Buhner, Michael Pilarski, Jack Spirko, and Ethan Hughes. You connect with Eric by visiting ThePoosh.org network.

The Mothership 

One of the things that really stood out for me with from this conversation was Eric’s “Do it!” attitude. We can do these tasks. We can get out there and make things happen. There’s no reason to be constrained by our own fears, but rather let’s go and work and get things moving. As Jack Spirko said, and why I mentioned him in the beginning, permaculture is a “do-ocracy.” We’re tasked to take action. Go out and plant. Go out and build. Make a difference in the world. Along the way there are people like Eric to show you how to keep moving forward. If you’re interested in natural building, or have your own project you are working with, connect with thepoosh.org and find people you can help, and can help you in turn. I’d like to hear from you if there is any way I can help you. Call me, as it’s the quickest and easiest way to get in touch: . Email: The Permaculture Podcast. Join in the discussions on Facebook: facebook.com/thepermaculturepodcast. Or follow me on twitter where I am: @permaculturecst. Resources: The Poosh Americorps The Biomimicry Design Portal Consensus Decision-Making (Wikipedia) Earthship Biotecture Gargage Warrior The Thatcher's Craft (PDF Downloads from Herefordshire & Ludlow College, UK) The Vernacular Architecture Forum Other Images from The Poosh:

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Rhamis Kent - Islam, Ethics, and Earth Care

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My guest for this episode is Rhamis Kent, a permaculture teacher and designer originally from the United States who currently lives in the United Kingdom and teaches in Africa and the Middle East. He joins me today to begin the series on Faith and Earth Care. During this conversation we discuss his background, the ideas of law and ethics, the core tenants of Islam, and how these relate to our being stewards of the earth. We wrap things up by talking more about ethics and land care. Even though Rhamis is a practicing Muslim, we talk about Islam and faith in an academic and largely secular fashion, divorced from the geo-politics one might hear in the news. There is a great deal of value in this interview for anyone who wants to understand and engage others to build greater community and, in turn, a better world. This conversation is the first of at least two, possibly three, with Rhamis and serves as an introduction to what will follow. As Rhamis and I spent 6 hours talking over two different days the tone of this conversation is considerably more open and jovial than I have had in most of the previous interviews. That lead to a show that is quite different from the norm. Because of that you’ll hear two cuts in the middle where I removed a couple of minutes of me taking us on different tangents. The difference is that because of how long we spoke this first time I ran up against a hard deadline and had to stop the conversation a bit abruptly. If you enjoy this episode, consider making a donation to help keep this show going. Find out how at: www.thepermaculturepodcast.com/support. I don’t have a lot to add to the conversation at the moment, as I’ll do a longer breakdown after the end of these interviews with Rhamis, whether that is one more or two. However, I will remark that while listening to Rhamis I was reminded of the stories and teachings in my own childhood, and how similar people really are to one another. A desire for peace, kinship, kindness, and to be treated like a human being. I won’t say those ideas are universal, but I will say it is incredible how small the difference are that so often divide us. I’d rather focus on what brings us together. Wouldn’t you? Where ever you stand after listening to all of this, I’d like to hear from you. Email me: The Permaculture Podcast. Join in the discussions on Facebook: facebook.com/thepermaculturepodcast. Or follow me on twitter where I am: @permaculturecst. Also, please feel free to call me if there is any way I can help you on your path with permaculture. A phone call is the easiest way to reach me, and often garners the quickest reply. I'm not always available to answer the phone, but will call you back as soon as possible. That number is: . The next episode of the show is a Q&A with Wilson Alvarez and Ben Weiss about tending the wild, expect that on Friday, January 24th. The next full interview is out on January 27th, with Eric Puro of The Poosh.org and that organization’s work to build sustainable projects around the world. Then will be Wayne Herring back for a Q&A about small scale farming on January 31st. You can find a full listing of upcoming shows, now plotted out through May 2014, by going to the Release Schedule. If you’ve missed anything from the past you can also check out the Show Archives. Resources: Rhamis Kent (Permaculture Global) Brethren of Purity (Wikipedia Entry) The Case of the Animals Versus Man Before the King of the Jinn from the Epistles of the Brethren of Purity (Oxford University Press) Epistles of the Brethren of Purity (Oxford University Press) Ibn al-'Arabi by William C. Chittick (Available to read online) Collapse by Jared Diamond (English Wikipedia Entry) Dirt by David Montgomery (UC Press) Reconstruction by Way of the Soil by G.T. Wrench (Available to read online) Topsoil and Civilization by Carter and Dale (Link to Google Books, no ebook Available) (Episode 2014-004)

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Marisha Auerbach - Urban Landscapes, Bio-Diversity, and Permaculture Education

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My guest for this episode is Marisha Auerbach, a permaculture designer and teacher from Portland, Oregon. She joins me today to talk about her work in the urban environment and her intentional choice to move to Portland to build working examples of the systems needed to exemplify what we can do. From there we touch on biodiversity and savings seeds, then cover some educational opportunities coming up that Marisha is involved with, and end with a general conversation about permaculture education and whether or not the on-line space is an appropriate one in which to teach permaculture. We cover a lot of ground and Marisha's long involvement in the community means there are copious resources listed below. You will also find links to several past guests she mentions to support our conversation together. If you enjoy this episode, or any of the others from the podcast, please consider making a donation so I can keep on keeping on. Find out how at: thepermaculturepodcast.com/support. You may enjoy these past episodes: Edible Forest Gardens and Permaculture with Dave Jacke Exploring Permaculture with Larry Santoyo Financial Permaculture with Eric Toensmeier Teaching the PDC with Andrew Millison Resources: Herb'n Wisdom, Marisha's Blog. Marisha's upcoming events: Maya Mountain Research Farm (Belize PDC) The 2014 Local Food Enterprise Summit: A Financial Permaculture Convergence People and places: Bullock Brothers The Evergreen State College Forest Shoemer Gary Nabhan Wild Thyme Farm Organizations: Abundant Life Seed Foundation (Now merged with Territorial Seed Company) The American Livestock Breed Conservancy Seed Savers Exchange Plants and Animals: Ahimsa Silk Coast Strawberry Lower Salmon River Winter Squash Sedum Silver Fox rabbit Join in the conversations: E-mail: The Permaculture Podcast Facebook: Facebook.com/thepermaculturepodcast Twitter: @permaculturecst (Episode 2014-003)

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Arthur Haines - Wild Foods

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My guest for this episode is Arthur Haines. He is a botanist, forager, and wild foods expert from Maine, where he teaches these ideas through his school, the Delta Institute of Natural History. You can find out more about Arthur at arthurhaines.com. Arthur is a returning guest, so if you'd like to learn more about him, and foraging, check out the first interview. I like Arthur, the work he's doing, and how he shares this information. He's steeped in not only the history and lore of wild plants and native foods, but also offers plenty of examples to go along with the conversation. To carry this discussion, we begin with a definition of what Arthur means by a wild food, and then discuss four main areas where wild foods differ from cultivated ones:

  • Nutrient density.
  • Phtyochemisty.
  • Essential fatty acid ratio.
  • Calories relative to fiber.

There is a great deal of useful information in this conversation, though I would have liked a better connection for our conversation that day. You'll hear that when you give this show a listen, but please stick with us through it as what we cover is well worth your time, ties together several previous interviews, and sets us up for a conversation I recently recorded with Dr. John Kitsteiner about permaculture, food, and our health. To add to this conversation, here are links to past interviews about foraging, tending the wild, and nutrient density. Wild Foods and Foraging with Arthur Haines Foraging with Sam Thayer Restoring Eden: Zone 4 Permaculture with Wilson Alvarez and Ben Weiss Nutrient Dense Foods with Dan Kittredge An Introduction to Nutrient Dense Farming with Mary Johnson If you enjoy this conversation, and the others related to it, please consider making a donation to the show so I can keep things going. Find out how at: www.thepermaculturepodcast.com/support. One of the points Arthur raised in this conversation that stuck with me was when I talked about the Paw Paw and he said that “The work of eating is done for us,” as aresult of plant breeding and selection. Taking a step back from that, when I look at our supermarket that space plays a similar role in taking the effort out of eating. We can buy what we want, whenever we want. I was reminded of this over the 2013 holidays my family fell back on our old eating habits, and how we are returning to our more thoughtful diet as we get out from under that crunch. In that process my daughter asked for strawberries and we were able to buy them from California, picked, pre-washed, and packaged by the pound ready for our consumption. As I cut them up to eat, I found myself thinking about the decision that went into purchasing them, and how easy it was to buy those berries and bring them home. If I want to the supermarket and restaurants mean I never have to prepare or cook food. Ever. I'm not condemning grocery stores or our ability to plug-in to the world-wide network of food, but just be more conscious of using it. I think the place to start is to get back into being intimate with our food, and to do that, start cooking a meal at home. Once a week is a start. Take it slow. Find a favored recipe from friend or family member and make that part of what you do. Then add another, and another, until your're comfortable cooking with what you have. Then try fresh foods from a farmer's market. Then add wild foods. Arthur mentioned violets, which grow here in Pennsylvania, and are one of my favorite fresh food snacks when I'm in the yard. Sure, I might not fill up on a few handfuls of them, but they give me something to munch on, as do young dandelion leaves. Both of these you can sneak into a salad and feed to your friends as new flavors and colors on their plates. Then the next time you talk to them and ask about wild foods, you can say they've already eaten some, and have a new conversation about the wonderful edibles all around us. Are you a fan of wild foods? Planning to learn about them and add them to your diet? I'd love to hear from you. E-mail: The Permaculture Podcast . You can also join in the conversation by liking the show on Facebook: facebook.com/thepermaculturepodcast or on Twitter, where I am @permaculturecst. From here, next week on January 14th, Marisha Auerbach joins me to talk about permaculture, including continuing the thread of permaculture and education. The first part of my talk with Rhamis Kent about Permaculture and Earth Care is out on January 21st, and then Eric Puro of ThePoosh.org rounds out the month and sets up for the 4 weeks of February. If you're interested in taking a permaculture design course, but haven't had the time, consider joining me for the next year long, mentored, PDC+, which begins April 1st, 2014. Email me for a copy of the course syllabus to see if you are interested, and we can arrange registering you for the class if you'd like. On the website you'll see two new menu options at the top: Show Archives and Release Schedule. The show archive is still being filled out, but you'll find the past episodes arranged in chronological order by topic, so within each topic the first episode is the oldest on that subject. It's not complete yet, as I'm cleaning up the archives and continue to add more links to the list, but it's a good place to start. The release schedule forecasts into the future when different guests, topical episodes, and reviews, will come out. Until the next time, take care of the earth, your self, and each other. Resources: Arthur Haines Delta Institute of Natural History beta-Carotene (Wiki) Dandelions (Wiki) Ox-eye Daisy (Wiki) (Episode 2014-001)

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