Island Creek Farm with Holly Brown

My guest for this episode is Holly Brown of Island Creek Farm, a small permaculture farm located in Huddleston, Virginia.

Holly and I sat down at her home on a mild day in October to talk about her origins as a farmer and what it is like to run a permaculture-based farm on imperfect farmland in western Virginia complete with heat and humidity during the summer and the occasional hard freeze in the winter. On less than one acre farmed organically the farm supported herself and two interns financially, while keeping three restaurants stocked with vegetables, provided fifteen CSA shares, and also fed herself, those interns, and her extended family. She even had enough left over to give to local food pantries. She accomplishes all of this while married with two children, and without the use of insecticides, herbicides, or any tilling. I learned all of this in our time together recording the interview and while we ate lunch and spent several hours walking around her farm. That time together was incredibly inspirational to me and gave me a better understanding of what we can accomplish with the right systems and support.

My time with Holly really stuck with me, even now several months later, because this was the first time I saw a farm that was integrated and operating in a way that I would want to run a farm when consider creating my own permaculture demonstration site. Her farm showed the possibilities I read about in books like Peter Bane’s The Permaculture Handbook, while remaining true to her own ideals.

Holly invited me into the home she shares with her husband and two children, a modest place compared to most of the houses I’ve seen in America, more reminiscent of the ideas you’ll find in the books by Lloyd Kahn or Patricia Foreman, though not quite that small. In the time after the interview she and I shared lunch together, a curry consisting of on-farm vegetables with yogurt she made from local raw milk and a salad containing something like 12 different kinds of lettuces. We then walked around and she showed me her successes and failures, including two different gothic arch greenhouse frames, one of which was strong and supportive that Holly demonstrated by doing a pull-up on, and another that wavered in the wind a bit.

If anything, visiting Holly gave me hope that we can build productive permaculture farms that feed people. That we can use little urban, suburban, and rural spaces to grow the food necessary, in an ecologically responsible manner, that can make a real difference. 

Are there any farms like Island Creek I should visit to bring back more working examples of permaculture in the world? If you know of any, leave a comment below.

As long as I am able I will be here to assist you on your permaculture path so please reach out to me if there is anything I can do for you.


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The Wildcrafting Brewer

To honor the release of Pascal Baudar’s new book, Wildcrafted Fermentation, I’ve re-mastered and re-released our conversations about his earlier works. Today, you can listen to our interview about The Wildcrafting Brewer. The episode posted last week covered his first book, The New Wildcrafted Cuisine.

Thanks to the great folks at Chelsea Green Publishing, who publish Pascal’s three amazing books, I am giving away a copy of Wildcrafted Fermentation through Saturday, March 21st.

Giveaway: Wildcrafted Fermentation

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Author, teacher, and forager Pascal Baudar joins me to discuss his exploration of primitive brews and fermentation, the basis for his book The Wildcrafting Brewer.



He shares with us the way we can combine local ingredients as flavor,  with water, sugar, and yeast to create sodas, beer, wine, and mead with local flavor and sense of place. If you are familiar with his first book, The New Wildcrafted Cuisine,  then you know his thoughts push the limits of what we might think of when considering what to toss into our brew pot. Taking these methods,  he again takes us in an unexpected direction that goes from the social drinks we might expect, to discuss how we might consider making culinary, healing, or even psychotropic beverages.

Find out more about Pascal and his work as a forager and teacher at urbanoutdoorskills.com and his books, including The Wildcrafting Brewer at ChelseaGreen.com.

Stepping away from this conversation, though he and I spoke about brewing and making wild-flavored beverages, I’m thinking more generally about how easy it is to complicate and over-analyze our journey and arrive at a place where the results we wish to accomplish gets lost in a  messy process requiring more work than needed.

Pascal shows us that with his primitive, or as he also says archaic, brews and how the modern steps, and commercial flavors, limit the range of experiences we create as we scrub and sanitize our pots and fermentation vessels, or leave our brews alone; watched but untouched as the liquid transforms from sugary concoction into alcoholic elixir.

How often do we do seek this same sterile approach in our other work, only to find the effort falls flat because of a singular direction and only considering one way?

What if we tried more simplicity and creativity in our work as permaculture designers, and in our relationships and initiatives for community building? Can we strip away the unnecessary and arrive and something more concise, clear, whole, productive, and enjoyable?

I think so, and the skills of creating wild foods and beverages provide a place where we can safely explore these patterns, before searching for similar details in our other work.

What do you think of this conversation with Pascal? Leave a comment in the show notes, or get in touch with me if you would like to discuss this further.


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Until then, explore the wild and the uncivilized, while taking care of Earth, yourself, and each other.

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Pascal Baudar (Author's Page at Chelsea Green)
Outdoor Urban Skills
The Wildcrafting Brewer
The New Wildcrafted Cuisine
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The New Wildcrafted Cuisine

To celebrate the release of Pascal Baudar’s new book, Wildcrafted Fermentation, this and the next episode are about his earlier works, The New Wildcrafted Cuisine and The Wildcrafting Brewer. As this episode comes out, all three books are on sale at ChelseaGreen.com.  



Thanks to our friends at Chelsea Green, I am also giving away a copy of Pascal’s Wildcrafted Fermentation! You’ll find that giveaway at patreon.com/permaculturepodcast.

Pascal takes foraged food and elevating them to more than just something to eat, and creating rich meals from the common, such as wild mustards or acorns, to the uncommon, like lurp sugar or sand fleas, building on years of experience and hundreds of classes on primitive, wilderness, and survival skills. He ate with fervor at the plate of knowledge so that now we can dine upon meals of wonder with fresh and unexpected flavors.

Find out more about Pascal and his work at UrbanOutdoorSkills.com.

Where you live, what do you eat? Have you foraged for food? Is there a plant you want to know more about, such as how to prepare it, or plan a meal around it? Let me know.

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Pascal's Author's Page at Chelsea Green
The New Wildcrafted Cuisine
Chelsea Green

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Karryn Olson-Ramanujan: A Pattern Language for Women in Permaculture

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In this episode from 2014, one of my favorite people from the permaculture community, Karryn Olson-Ramanujan, joins us to share a pattern language she’s identified for women in permaculture, which we can use to create a constructive permaculture movement so that together we can design a world with ever greater beauty, abundance, and inclusivity.



The starting point for this conversation is Karryn’s article, which forms the title for this episode, “A Pattern Language for Women in Permaculture.” In this powerful piece Karryn outlines the patterns and provides solutions to create an environment for women’s full participation and leadership in the permaculture community, and be recognized as the permaculture superstars they are.

The eight patterns, some of which we discuss together, are:

  1. Shift our “Mental Models”
  2. Understand and Advocate for the “30% Solution” as a Vital Step Toward Parity
  3. Value Diversity
  4. Intersecting Identities
  5. Mentoring is Key to Building Women’s Leadership
  6. Value Archetypically Feminine Ways of Leading
  7. Nurture Women’s Leadership Through Women’s Gatherings
  8. Be an Ally

In addition to this pattern language, during her research Karryn found many women struggle to earn a living with their good work. To support these entrepreneurs, she offers three different courses: Pathfinders, Sweet Spots, and Abundance Models to help women design their regenerative right livelihood. Enrollment for the next Pathfinders course starts in late February 2020. If you are interested in this, or any of her other courses, you’ll find those hosted within the Regenepreneurs Network, which you can also join as a general member. Learn more at Regenepreneurs.com.

You will also find more of Karryn’s writing on Medium, where she writes as @Regenepreneurs.


References and resources from this episode:
Regenepreneurs
Earth Activist Trainings
Gender Schema Tutorials
Jeanine Carlson-Nelson
Karen Stupski
Microaffirmations
Timebanking
Margaret Wheatley
Pandora Thomas
Privilege and Allyship (Links to a PDF)
Starhawk
WPLI – Women’s Permaculture Leadership Initiative
Women Lead the Way by Linda Tarr-Whelan
Profiles of Women in Permaculture

Women Working with Permaculture in South Africa
Alex Kruger and Berg-en-Dal Ecovillage
Jeunesee Park Park at Food and Trees for Africa

Several other awesome women were also profiled in Karryn’s article.

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Reclaiming our Nutritional Wisdom: Nourishment with Fred Provenza

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(This episode first aired on 10.December.2018)

My guest today is the renowned animal behaviorist Fred Provenza, who joins me to talk about how we can reconnect with the foods that feed our bodies and reclaim our nutritional wisdom.



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Drawing on decades of research with animals, upon retirement from Utah State University he turned his lens towards human beings to pull together the best studies and his own personal journey to provide a way we can begin to eat well for ourselves by outlining where we’ve gone wrong and what we can do to make a positive change.

You can find Fred's book, Nourishment, at chelseagreen.com.

What do you think of what Fred shares with us today? Can you see the relationships between flavor-feedback, culture, and alternative availability on our nutritional wisdom

Let me know.

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Resources
Nourishment

Chemical Ecology (Wiki)
Dying To Be Me by Anita Moorjani
Edward R Murrow’s This I Believe (Wiki)

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Storytelling for Social Change

My guest today is Andrew Slack. He joins me to share his thoughts and personal experience on how to use storytelling to create social change.

A climate activist and former head of the non-profit Harry Potter Alliance—which used the collective fandom of J.K. Rowling’s Wizarding World to create a movement of good-will in the real-world—we talk about his approach of using the arts to catalyze movements through the stories we share, as fans of fiction, from our culture, or our individual lives. He also asks some questions of me about why permaculture matters, in a conversation that wound up personal for both of us. You can find out more about Andrew's current project at savesantashome.us. I’ve also included links in the resource section of this episode to The Harry Potter Alliance and other places you can find more about him and his work in the wider world.

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When I started this podcast in 2010, I wanted to deepen my understanding of permaculture and share what I learned during my permaculture design course. As time went on my interview skills improved and more and more people joined me as guests, including authors whose books you have on your shelves to others recording their first-ever media appearance. As that happened, so the show became about people sharing their stories. For those who were media savvy, to get them to stray from their talking points and tell us a personal tale about who they are, where they come from, and why what they do matters. For those who were new, to draw out their passion and hear more about what they care about. Together we could find threads in common to connect to and inspire. That regardless of our backgrounds we could understand one another as people, and make the world smaller, more intimate, and peaceful. Meeting with Andrew and sitting down with him in his apartment in Washington, D.C. I wanted to understand how people take their stories, their art, and the connections they see to create something bigger than individual actions. Something more than ourselves that is engaging, fun, and world-changing because as permaculture practitioners, we know how to solve problems. How to grow food. How to feed people. How to care for the other-than-human. How to restore ecosystems. How to repair damage to our communities. What I find missing is how we share the vision of what this bountiful future based on ethical design looks like. How do we use story, modern myths, the arts, to create broader social change? How do those of use skilled beyond the landscape apply our talents to create lasting and permanent culture atop the regenerative surplus of permanent agriculture? I know many of you are artists and storytellers yourselves. You write. You draw. You make comic books. You paint. What kind of collective can we form and work together so that people yearn for the dream of a lush, verdant, bountiful world? I’d love to hear from you.

Leave a comment below.

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Or write: The Permaculture Podcast The Permaculture Podcast. Until the next time, spend each day sharing your story, telling new ones, and changing the world around you, while taking care of Earth, your self, and each other.

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Resources

Save Santa’s Home

Andrew Slack (Twitter) Andrew Slack (LinkedIn) The Harry Potter Alliance

Joseph Campbell’s Interview with Bill Moyers

Related Interviews

Fair Food Forager

Myth Making and Storytelling with Jason Godesky

It takes a whole village to raise a child

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Surviving the Future with Shaun Chamberlin

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Today is part two of the conversation with Shaun Chamberlin (Part 1 ), editor of Lean Logic and Surviving the Future, on the work of David Fleming. This time we focus on Shaun including his background, current activities, and what it means to bear David's Legacy. Along the way, the conversation touches on a variety of subjects related to our work in the modern world, including the role of education, the apolitical need for action on the future, and what we can do to live inexpensively and with directed intent. This is candid, on both of our parts, as we share more of our own private stories as much as the public. Find our more about Shaun and his work at DarkOptimism.org.  

Sponsor We’re able to keep the newsletter, email and voicemail going with support from our partners like Joel Dufour and the great people at Earth Tools in Kentucky. If you are a small scale professional farmer or permaculture practitioner you’ll love their line of walk-behind tractors, implements, and parts from manufacturers like BCS and Grillo. If you’re a gardener, check out their full line of high-quality hand tools from DeWit, SHW, Barnel, and more. I chose to partner with Earth Tools because they are owned and operated by a small-scale farmer and his family. With their hands-on experience and understanding of the tools we need on our farms and in our gardens, and with affordable pricing, they make high-quality tools accessible to everyone. If you’re looking for the perfect holiday gift for the gardeners in your life, this is it. Find out more about their complete line of tractors and tools at EarthTools.com.

Resources

Lean Logic (Chelsea Green Publishing)

Surviving the Future (Chelsea Green Publishing)

Get both books for $60 .  (Chelsea Green Publishing)

Dark Optimism (Shaun's Site)

Lean Logic: The Work of David Fleming (Permaculture Podcast Interview)

Schumacher College The Moneyless Manifesto  - Mark Boyle

The Dark Mountain Project The Transition Timeline The Happy Pig , Ireland. (Permaculture Magazine UK)

The Power of Time Off  (TED Talk)

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What About Christmas? with Ethan Hughes

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In this conversation, that arises from a listener question posed by Amelia, Ethan shares ways that we can transform our holiday experience from a consumption-driven exchange to one where gifts are given based on need or in service to others. He also stresses the importance of communication so that we can create new traditions that honor ourselves and the perspectives of our loved ones. Hearing what Ethan shared with us, how will you transform your holidays? What new traditions will you create? What conversations will you have to have to make this happen?

I want to hear from you. Leave a comment in the show notes here, or get in touch with me directly.

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Also, if you haven’t heard already, Ethan and I are writing a book together, called The Possibility Handbook: A Toolkit for Transformation. To support the creation of this book, I’m running a listener exclusive crowdfunding campaign. By pledging your support now you can receive early access to the manuscript as it is written, hear the audio we record that serves as the basis for the book, and view pictures and video taken at The Possibility Alliance. If we can raise $5,000 I’ll head to The Possibility Alliance January 16 - 23, 2016 to begin recording. Find out more, including the topics we’ll cover, at www.thepermaculturepodcast.com/book

Until the next time, spend each day creating the world you want to live in by taking care of Earth, yourself, and each other.

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Lean Logic: The Work of David Fleming

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(Originally released: November 20, 2016)

My guest today is Shaun Chamberlin, the editor of Lean Logic: A Dictionary for the Future and How to Survive It and Surviving the Future, both of which are based on the work of the late David Fleming (1940 - 2010). The conversation is as much a discussion of these books, as it is a celebration of the life of David Fleming, who we get to meet through a series of clips throughout the interview. Without hyperbole, I see these two volumes as some of the most important recent texts for any permaculture practitioner, from recent convert to long-standing experts, to add to their library. David, through the careful clarifying editing by Shaun, has created the resources that bridge the landscape and our communities, from food to transition, in an apolitical, accessible way, covering topics from Abstraction to Yonder. Self-referential, you can open Lean Logic to any page and be lead on a trail of connected thoughts to lead you to ideas that initially might seem unrelated, kind of like going to Wikipedia to look up swales and before you know it three hours have passed and you are now reading about the health risks of tritium, except in a book where everything is related to the resiliency necessary to create a world where humans can survive whatever the future may hold. Enjoy this first conversation with Shaun. He returns for the second half on December 10.

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Resources Lean Logic (Chelsea Green)

Surviving the Future (Chelsea Green)

David Fleming (Wiki)

Shaun Chamberlin The Transition Timeline Rob Hopkins and The Transition Town Movement (Interview)

Transition Network Transition US Richard Heinberg Michael Meacher (Former UK Environment Minister)

Ron Oxburgh LeanLogic.net (First publication of David’s manuscript)

The Dark Mountain Project Jonathon Porritt

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Climate Change and The Path Ahead

(Originally Released: May 25, 2017)

Giulianna Maria Lamanna, of The Fifth World, drops a huge two-part question on us in this episode, a continuation of the MAPC 2016 Q&A.

  1. Are there people in the permaculture community talking about climate change and the impact of global warming on invasive species?
  2. Is it our responsibility as permaculture practitioners to create new ecosystems for the changing climate?

This conversation leads to thoughts on preserving native ecosystems, the creation of novel ecosystems, the role and influence of exotic species, human disturbance, and the forces of erosion. We’re also asked to examine our own  role we have in tending the wild, and what responsibility, if any, we have to domesticated species such as chickens? In doing so, can we take back the stewardship of our own habitat? Voices you’ll hear include: Eva Taylor of Ironwood Farms Zach Elfers of Nomad Seed Project Ben Weiss of Susquehanna Permaculture Jason Godesky of The Fifth World Nicole Luttrell of Wind Song Farm Claudia Joseph of New York Permaculture Exchange Seppi Garrett Dale Hendricks of Green Light Plants Dr. Christopher Huvos

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Podcast Needs Living in the Gift, as Ethan Hughes reminds me, requires asking for our needs to be met. The following are some things I could use right now to make continuing the podcast easier: – A laptop capable of running the Adobe Creative Cloud Suite, including a full HD (1080p) screen, 8GB RAM, and an i5 processor. Due to the amount of data I handle, a 512GB HDD or larger would be great. Any specs above those are golden.

If you would like to discuss or know more about any of these, feel free to send me an email.

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Resources

MACP 2017 Event Information and Tickets Timothy Lee Scott , author of Invasive Plant Medicine

Tao Orion  (Her Facebook Page)

1535 – Beyond the War on Invasive Species , my interview with Tao.

1321 – David Homgren on Permaculture. An Interview.

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